UPDATE: Shutdown2007.com
Sep 3, 2007 Talk Radio
Well, “Sylvester” and “Tweety Pie”(Dean & Karen Owens of Dickson Tn) got their little site up and it is more of the pablum and misinformation being regurgitated by the “righties” and borderline “white is right” crowd.
Here’s a sampling of the B.S.
1. National Security
There is NO way to ensure that the holder of the drivers license presented at the border for identification is really that person. Is it Raul or is it really Ahmed? At this moment millions of tons of freight is being pulled from the ports of this country in containers. currently, we are unable to track these shipments and only a VERY small percent of this cargo has been inspected to ensure it won’t explode in a nuclear fireball in the middle of your home town.(…more to come)
Utterly ridiculous. These guys have been checked seven ways from Sunday. And every single shipment crossing the southern border passes through passive radiation screeners. Yep, I’m certain there will be more of the B.S. to come from these little minds.
What else? Let’s see!
3. Road Safety
Currently, there is No system of checks in Mexico to verify identity, driving history, safety record or the drug testing of the drivers slated to cross into your state. All drivers with a Commercial Drivers License in the United States of America have to go through this vetting. It only stands to reason to any person with the ability for rational thought that drivers from Mexico should be required to meet the minimum requirements Canadian and AMerican Drivers must.(…more to /come)
And if this clone of Bozo would read the documents, he would learn that drivers in the program have been drug tested. By Mexican government physicians and labs. In addition, as a requirement of the Pre-Authority-Safety-Audit, or PASA, these same drivers were all tested, in U.S. approved labs on U.S. soil!
Driving history is checked through LFIS by USDOT and state LE in the same manner as the Mexican Highway Police or PFP does a check of the drivers history. Remember, these Mexican Licencia Federal de Conductors are issued by the Mexican government and not by the states as they are in this country.
And the last little item and this really chaps my ass! This show this moron to be the racist piece of crap he pretends not to be!
4. Health
With no system in place to ensure the health of the drivers coming into your hometown, we can be assured that there will be an increase in the diseases that have already begun to raise their ugly heads in the once safe American community. Hepatitis, Tuburculosis, and other once rare contagious diseases are on the rise. Mostly from the increase in illegal immigration into the United States from our southern border. A Commercial Drivers License holder in the United States of America must go through an ever more difficult battery of tests to obtain and then keep the Commercial Drivers License that is the source of his income. The Men, Women and children of this nation will be subjected to exposure to many diseases once thought erradicated.(…more to come)
The Mexican driver must undergo an actual physical, not the walk in, walk out that the American drivers can sometimes obtain. Blood work in addition to the mandatory drug tests.
The alleged diseases, and I say alleged, because this subject was brought up a year or so ago by a fringe right winger. There is no evidence from the CDC of this being true. However, if this were the case, the diseases are being brought in by the illegals from the south of Mexico, from the poorest states which is where the majority of the illegals come from.
These Mexican drivers are not illegals. They are human being and truckers the same as you and I. The live a middle class life style in Mexico, the same as you and I. To make a statement such as this is not only an insult to anyone of any intelligence.
This website is nothing more than an amateurish attempt by a couple more of the whiney babies who congregate on the midnight talk shows who feel big when they put down others.
Go ahead and have your little shut down. It’s money out of your pocket, not ours.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 9:17
stay in mexico
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September 3rd, 2007 at 10:52
I do cupcake, except that I have truck payments so I am forced to come north to work for a week. But every week, I cannot wait to return to my home
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September 4th, 2007 at 1:28
Hay Trailero, If your own GVT. weren’t so darned corrupt you could make an honest living in Mexico and wouldn’t have to come to MY country to make a living then take our money back and spend it in your country. Keep your butt south of the border where it belongs. We don’t want you here and SURE don’t need you. we can and will pick our own crops if you’ll stay home and quit under cutting our wages and lowering our standard of living. Go home, live in our grass hut and stay there.
Have a Great Day and a Better Tomorrow.
ADW
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September 5th, 2007 at 3:50
Hey Arturo! Guess what! I am as American as you are. Just a good ol’ boy from Arkansas who chooses to make my home in Mexico. A much better society and class of people down here. And when I retire in another 13, I intend to take your advice and stay down here in this wonderful country.
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September 5th, 2007 at 1:25
Trailero..
Where to start.. Well first, If you cannot admit that mexico, as a government, AND society are crooked as they come, you are either a LIAR, or some idot that has never even been there.
I have been robbed numerous times by the policia, and robbed and beaten once by the federalis, who also threatened to kill me if I did not get more money, pronto.
Also, if you beleive for one minute that mexican truckers will not deliberately try to take illegal cargo accross the border including people and drugs, you have again proven your lack of credibility on the subject. I have driven a truck since before I was legaly old enough to do so, and have seen many many things. I have taken one load into mexico, to monterey thru reynosa. NEVER AGAIN!
As far as the bombs comming thru, I dont think that will happen until the terrorrists figure out how to pose as mexicans, which will eventualy be attempted.
I would like to invite you to call in to the show tonight, and talk with Mr. sommers.
Iam sure that he would be honored to have you answer some of the listeners questions, since you seem to have unlimited knowledge in this subject.
Take it to the bank folks, mexican trucks comming accross the border will bring more trouble than we are prepared to handle…wait and see.
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September 5th, 2007 at 8:16
You are a Puke, a piece of worthless dirt. Another lying liberal trash bag that hates America for all that we are and all that you will never be. I’m glad you are living there, we don’t need or want your kind here. Now if you could just take Hillary, Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the liberal ilk with you, oh yeah and 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens America and all TRUE Americans would Love you and Mexico.
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September 5th, 2007 at 10:10
How lame! When the discussion goes in a direction that is contrary to your views, all that is left is for the name calling to begin.
Well, all along, this blog has been correct in the opinions and information presented and evidenced by confirmation from FMCSA and other sources.
As for calling in to Mr. Sommers, I have better things to do with my time than to talk with people whose minds are already made up.
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September 6th, 2007 at 3:04
You never know.. You might just convince ol’ steve to fall in love with the idea of mexicans touring our country in trucks. No response to my statements??? Lets talk for a moment about the pure and evil coruption that I was talking about. You know.. me being beaten and robbed by your peace officers… robbed many times (to clarify) and beaten once, with threats to my life. They will do this, but would NEVER try to smuggle fellow mexicans into the united states.. right? Is that what you are saying?? Why dont you just give a straight answer when you are asked something instead of talking about the FMCSA or whatever comes to mind.
Tell me something that I (spending lots of time in mexico) will beleive instead of trying to spoon feed me your B.S. as if I have never been there, and spent lots of time there.
Its not paradise there. Its VERY dangerous, and life is very very cheap, and you KNOW IT.
Answer the questions pedro, and leave the FMCSA and the ATA and everyone else out of it. You have made yourself an authority on the matter…. GIVE ME SOME ANSWERS
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September 6th, 2007 at 11:36
Trucked Over. All I can say to you based on your comments is that you are here simply to argue and not offer anything of substance.
I have doubts that anything ever happened to you in Mexico, if indeed you have ever been to the interior of the country.
On the other hand, if you are one of these guys who lays over in El Paso and avails himself of the services of the shuttles to take you to the whore zone in Juarez Centro, perhaps you have been robbed and been beat up by the Police. And if you take the attitude you show here to Mexico and to the zonas, show absolutely no respect for the people or the country, push your superior gringo attitude on the people, then perhaps you got what you deserved.
I own another site with a membership approaching 1000 members who would probably all disagree with your claims also. They are experts on the Mexico border party scene and they come to Mexico practically every weekend, from Reynosa to Nuevo Laredo to Juarez and all return with positive experiences. Occasionally they are hit up for a small bribe for some indiscretion, but hey, that’s just the way it is!
You are welcome to join us if you behave yourself at http://ladiesofnuevolaredo.com
Yo’re right, the zonas of Mexico which you seem to be familiar with are not paradise. I would love to see them all closed, but they do provide a needed service. But overall, I choose to live here even though I have the option of living anywhere else in the world I choose. This is my choice and a good one.
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September 6th, 2007 at 4:40
Thats just the way it is?? hmmm
and yes i have indeed been there, all the way thru many times.
all the way to south america, and back, many many times.
My uncle hunts jaguars for south and central american governments, and I have joined several of the trips. (I dont know why you would find it hard to beleive that someone other than yourself would know anything of mexico. Hell, I probably know more than you do, from the sounds of things. the cadillac man, and pappa smurf have never escorted me accross the border….I know my way around mexico too good for that sort of thing.
Not everyone goes there for your stinking dying whores.
You still have not answered any questions, and I am not name-calling either.
WHY DONT YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, BEFORE THE NAME-CALLING BEGINS.????
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September 6th, 2007 at 5:59
Actually, I don’t see any questions to answer. Only rhetorical slander. You’re entitled to your opinion and I to mine. Considering I live in the country and have for almost a decade, and have traveled extensively by car and by bus in the country, without incident, and have been trashing around the border towns for more than 30 years from the time I was in the Air Force, I believe I am well qualified to offer the opinions, backed up by facts, that are presented here!
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September 8th, 2007 at 3:36
Just look for the sentences that end with question marks pedro.
anyway, after your call with mike, I have decided that I have may more real experience with
mexico, and mexicans than you do. you are only defending the party crowd that you party with, and the mexican border town whores that you make money with on your other site.
You are nothing more that a border town partier.
anyway, your “facts” which are only statements already posted by the fmcsa do not hold any water with me, and 99% of the rest of the u.s. truckers.
I would love to discuss what you know, and what I know on the air. that would be great.
You had me thinking you knew a thing or two for a little bit, but you blew it permanently on the air…in front of millions of listeners. you had a chance to gain followers, but I dare say, most concluded that you are a babbling fool, pretending to be some authority, when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. No need for a response. You, your whores, and party crowd do not worry me. I know you have shot yourself in the foot, and most of your followers will drop away rather quickly once they learn what you really are, and what you DO NOT KNOW.
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September 8th, 2007 at 9:07
I agree, “no need for a response”. Crap like this does not deserve a response.
As you sit up there in the Kansas City area with your other redneck buddies (and who knows, maybe your comments are coming from OOIDA), keep in mind, the debate over the Mexican trucks is all about facts instead of the propaganda and lies the opposition continues to throw around in the media without any justification for their words. It is all about the facts and my arguments are backed up with facts, not bullshit.
I only wish I had the time to hang with the party crowd once in a while, but I don’t. There are more important things in my life than that crap.
Rest easy, knowing that this weekend, the first truck of the program is transversing America safely, enroute to it’s destination in North Carolina.
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September 8th, 2007 at 2:51
Hey, did you hear about the inspection done on a prospective mexican truck for entry into our country, That had RETREAD, or CAPS on the steer axle.
Where does that leave you, as far as your comments on their impecable safety standards.
I thought you said they were safer than us, and better drivcers, with better equipment.
nothing you have said makes any sense yet, only repetative “facts” put out by the fmcsa, who by the way have done nothing but lie. OOIDA is gonna get this stopped yet.
And no, I am not a spokesman from ooida as you seem to think.
question #1
AGAIN.. do you really beleive that mexicans will not deliberately try to slip illegal loads accross the border??????????
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September 8th, 2007 at 8:09
I heard something about the inspection your mentioned on one of the overnight shows that has little credibility, but efforts to find the video were without success. Why don’t you point me to it.
I did find a website run by a group of vigilantes, Minutemen, I think they call themselves, which is an insult to the original Minutemen who fought the Redcoats up Boston way, but that’s besides the point. The site featured three photos. One of a cabover International claiming to have bald steering tires. The straight on side shot showed the smooth sidewall but nothing of the tread leaving the viewer to be forced to accept that is was as claimed.
Two other photos, of a Schneider trailer which the vigilantes claimed to be a Mexican trailer, had tread visible but it was difficult to tell because of the bad photography. Perhaps that was on purpose. The third photo showed a purported Mexican trailer although there is no proof of that with adequate tread on the tires. It is difficult to photograph a tire unless you are on top of it. I’ve tried.
So to answer your first question, “Where does that leave you”, it leaves me in the same position as I was end before I read your comment. I never said a word about “impecable” safety standards. I simply said that inspection data available for the past 5 years showing Mexican trucks coming from a 44% OOS rate to an OOS rate of 21.something% slightly below the average for American trucks. Also, the statistics show only a couple of violations for drug and alcohol, pretty much putting the brakes on that argument, at least for those of us with enough common sense to see it.
The facts or “facts” as you express them are exactly what the courts will use to decide these frivolous lawsuits being filed. The complainants have no “facts’ to back their arguments. The Teamsters are betting the farm on that ridiculous piece of “”purchased” journalism by Charles Bowden which he was hired to write and which at best, is an interesting piece of fiction. OOIDA and the rest are following the Teamsters lead. Nothing more.
The rules have been set out as to how this is to proceed. The rules clearly state how the program is to be administered and the procedures and rules the Mexican drivers will be operating under. If the states choose not to enforce the rules, the fault lies with the states, not the program itself. FMCSA has not lied about anything that I’ve seen. However, for lack of a better argument, the critics fall back on calling them liars.
Now, to answer your question #1.
Not only do I not believe the Mexican truckers will deliberately try to slip illegal loads across the border, I know for a fact they will not!
1. There is no gain. The chance of being caught is too great and these guys are not going to risk doing time in a Federal Prison in the U.S. for a few bucks. Know what the going rate to haul and illegal is at the moment? For the trucker, about $150-225 per head. To carry a “package to Dallas or elsewhere? Maybe a grand, if that.
2. Illegal aliens DO NOT cross the border in the back of semi trucks. They walk, they swim, they might come across in the trunks of cars as a last resort. They are held in safe houses on the U.S. side of the border until transport can be found north for those who have paid, and a place to keep the others who still owe the coyotes money, until they are paid.
3. Drugs come across the border strapped to peoples bodies, backpacked across by professional mules, driven across where there is not a natural barrier such as in El Paso, New Mexico and Arizona. Drugs are stored in stash house also along the border until a stupid ass truck driver is found to take them north. Where are these truckers found? The truck stops, beer joints and strip clubs on both sides of the border. The majority of them seem to get caught though, if not at the internal CBP checks, then by some deputy sheriff or trooper during a routine traffic stop. These are all documented facts if you look. The DEA website and their annual reports is a good place to start.
Now, question #1 is answered and if you’ll take a moment to think about it, you will see the truth and logic in it.
But if your argument is “The Mexican trucks will bring drugs, wabs and WMD’s into this country”, that argument simply has no validity.
Let’s pretend the Mexican demonstration project is nothing more than an idea in a bureaucrats mind. It doesn’t exist. Let’s pretend most provisions of NAFTA never were agreed to. In the end,
TRAILER FROM MEXICO AND CANADA WOULD STILL CROSS THE BORDER, and at the same 4% average increase per year as they do now. The Mexican truckers coming into this country delivering their loads and taking return loads to Mexico will not change that fact. Think about it!
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September 10th, 2007 at 3:14
I would have to check on when it was but, you may already know the exact time and location, and a few of the ignorant amigos that were found DEAD in a container that came accross the mexican border a couple years or so agao. a container FULl of illegal DEAD mexicans.
Except for the dying part, this was not, and IS not an isolated incident. debating with you is like debating with a 6 year old.. where do you even come up with your “facts”. I hope that people reading this will look up the story I just mentioned, and along with it, there will be lots and lots of other documented cases, reported by our own government, and not bozo, or any of your enemies. SO SIR….. You have been busted lying AGAIN.
I will get back to you with more questions after I deal with a couple of brokers, who lie alot like you do. cheers.
OH yeah, that was in HOUSTON…check it out.
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September 10th, 2007 at 3:22
READ YOUR QUOTE HERE, IT HILLARIOUS.
YOUR MUST BE SOME KIND OF A REAL RETARD. I CANT STOP LAUGHING.
DO YOU WANT ME TO START POSTING SITES PUBLISHED BY OUR GOVERNMENT THAT WILL PROVE YOU TO BE A BABBLING RETARDED LIAR??
“I KNOW FOR FACT” &
“ILLEGALS DONT COME HERE IN TRUCKS..I KNOW FOR FACT” What a liar. jeez
YOUR EXACT QUOTE–(I copied it so you can find it real easy right here.)
QUOTE DELETED BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I SAID AND STAND BY IT
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September 10th, 2007 at 3:41
here ya go folks.
and trailero….buddy Im just gettin started. You shouldnt lie so much.
Trapped in Heat In Texas Truck, 18 People Die
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September 10th, 2007 at 3:45
just gets better
Right wing extremist talk that makes me horny
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September 10th, 2007 at 3:52
read that second site real good.
full of GREAT info on illegal mexicans using their buffer zone for transporting weapons, people drugs….anything illegal that will fit in a truck.
you asked for it pedro, now your gonna just have to eat it.
Oh, and its not from ‘bozo’.. its from our own border patrol, state troopers, and other law inforcement agencies.
REALLY GOOD INFO.. Ill keep’em comin’ cheers
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September 10th, 2007 at 6:27
When you get your head out of your ass and realize I answered the question you asked to wit:
“”question #1
AGAIN.. do you really beleive that mexicans will not deliberately try to slip illegal loads accross the border??????????”"
And I stand by my answer. The incidents you mention began as I stated. The wabs were gathered from safe houses on this side of the border and loaded into the trailers on this side of the border pulled by tractors driven by AMERICANS or in the case of the Houston incident, someone in the country on a legal visa.
You insinuate that they are brought across the border in trailers and that is simply not the case. Those that are are caught.
You second suggested site is nothing more than an extremists site using reports and news stories freely available on the CBP press release site and similar places. In addition as a place to peddle extremist literature. “SPECIAL AGENT - 12 years in nationwide undercover operations” What’s that? Loss Prevention/Greeter at Wal-Mart?
I stand by my statements and use this information and other sources to back it up:
SOURCE: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/texas.html
“” The introduction of NAFTA had a major impact on the El Paso/Juarez area. The people crossing the international bridges on a daily basis and the large transportation industry available in this area (air, bus, trucking and rail) provide drug traffickers with innumerable drug and money smuggling opportunities. Rural, desert-like areas in New Mexico and West Texas, whether they be large ranches, National Park land backing up to the border, or some easily crossed places along the Rio Grande, offer tremendous smuggling opportunities to drug trafficking organizations.”"
“”Sources-of-supply (SOS) from Mexico move significant quantities of marijuana and cocaine through the POEs using major east/west and north/south interstate highways that crisscross through the El Paso Division. These highways provide the traffickers with transportation routes for distribution of drugs throughout the country. Drug traffickers also obtain warehouses in El Paso for stash locations and recruit drivers from the area to transport the narcotics to various destinations throughout the U.S. Additional threats to the region are the shipments of controlled substances via commercial vehicles, including aircraft, buses, and by Amtrak rail. EL Paso is also considered a hub for significant amounts of drug proceeds being laundered through small businesses.”"
“”North Texas is a distribution and transshipment area for cocaine that is distributed via passenger vehicles and tractor-trailers to destinations in the Midwestern, Northern, and Eastern U.S. “”
“”he El Paso/Juarez corridor serves as a transshipment point for cocaine to various locations in the U.S. Seized loads range from 50-800 pounds. Cocaine is the drug of choice among users in New Mexico and the availability is high. The El Paso/Juarez corridor is the route primarily used to transport cocaine to Albuquerque and is distributed to other parts of the State from there. Cocaine is transported through New Mexico by MDTOs at an increasing rate. Multiple kilogram quantities are routinely seized from commercial trucks, public transportation and private vehicles. The most common seizures occur when couriers are interdicted on public transportation with two to three kilograms of cocaine carried on their body. Cocaine is also readily available for distribution throughout New Mexico in gram to ounce quantities for local consumption”"
“” Small quantities of Asian heroin are sporadically encountered in south Texas, smuggled in via courier or seized from the mail. Within the last year, there has been a noticeable increase in the availability and purity of Mexican heroin in south Texas. Mexican black tar and brown heroin are routinely seized at the POEs in El Paso County. Black tar heroin has long been available in this region from sources in the Mexican States of Durango and Chihuahua. Heroin is most commonly smuggled in secret compartments in private vehicles and concealed on persons. The heroin is usually carried across the border by couriers, however there is a developing trend of heroin distributors crossing the border with their supply”"
“”Marijuana remains readily available and is considered the most widely used illegal drug throughout the State of Texas. Marijuana in this area is primarily imported from the Texas/Mexico border via privately owned vehicles (POV) and commercial trucks. Large quantities of marijuana are routinely seized by all levels of law enforcement during highway interdiction stops in the North Texas area. Mexican marijuana is the most predominantly trafficked drug in the Houston Division. It is not uncommon for the US Border Patrol to make multi-hundred pound marijuana seizures from “back packers” at points along the Rio Grande River, and from vehicles at the US Border Patrol secondary checkpoints in Texas. At the Ports of Entry, ton quantity seizures of marijuana are often made from commercial trucking attempting to enter the United States.”"
So if you will read that, you will see that allowing this Demonstration Program to proceed will not increase nor decrease drug or human traffic. With or without the Demonstration Program, drugs will continue to be brought into this country in cars, by “mules” and other means, consolidated and shipped as usual.
And despite your thoughts to the contrary, all Mexicans are not illegal, even the ones involved in illegal activities.
So I reiterate my position based on personal knowledge and common sense: ILLEGALS DO NOT CROSS THE U.S. BORDER IN COMMERCIAL VEHICLES!
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September 10th, 2007 at 1:21
WELL, Ill be damned. YOU CHANGED THE NAME OF THE SITE ADDRESS.
Dont know how he did it, but he has changed the website names that I posted.
SHAME-ON-YOU. THESE ARE NOT THE NAMES OF THE SITE.
that just goes to show that you are willing to do whatever it takes to keep your readers from looking at them.
Im thinking theres a law against you completely changing what I say, and beleive me, im going to check into it right now. .
I heard that the fmcsa has purchased some new trucks for the ol’ boy who was first to cross the border. Not hard to believe, since he must have the only 2007 mexican truck in all mexico.
Iam quite sure that this will be spot-lighted very soon.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE CHANGING THE ADDRESS NAMES. YOU ARE NOT ARGUING FAIR.
I CANNOT GET INTO THE SITE HERE, AND CHANGE WHAT YOU SAY, SO STOP DOING IT TO ME.
WHAT AN ASS-HOLE. YOU ARE WORSE THAT THE ILLEGALS.
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September 10th, 2007 at 1:37
Sorry fellow. My site, and nothing was changed. Just reduced the url that ran across the page and screwed up my .css into something manageable. Your right wing ramblings are still there.
More name calling since I called your bluff and proved your assertion wrong? So be it!
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September 11th, 2007 at 7:59
Trailero! Can you tell me the going rate for a mexican driver to deliver a load into the USA??
You seem to be a bank of knowledge. I would just like to compare what they make compared to pur rates. We get form 28 to 45 cents a mile in US Dollars for company drivers! How will the mexican drivers be paid? Pesos or DOLLARS?? I await your reply!
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September 11th, 2007 at 9:00
James, You’ve asked a question I have been trying to get answered for almost a year.
I am going to try to make a trip to Monterrey next week when I return home and I also have a shout out to a friend in Monterrey who can be counted on to get answers.
I am aware of the U.S. rates. Driver pay along the border in the U.S., especially in Laredo and the RGV is between .28 and .32 cpm.
One thing is for certain, the Mexican drivers will be paid in pesos. They are only extending the territory they travel in. Nothing more. I imagine they will be given advances in dollars to cover their expenses in the U.S. since the cost of a meal is almost double what it would be in Mexico.
I would also imagine that the companies would have to sweeten the deal a little to help covers the drivers expenses unless they were given a set amount, say $20 a day for food.
Drivers wages in Mexico are somewhere between .18 and .22 cpm. Below ours but in Mexico, if a driver runs 2500 miles per week, he is earning, on the low end, $440.00 per week. Convert that to pesos, figure about $4900 pesos per week, more or less. Not a bad wage in a country where a factory worker earns $1200 pesos a week on average for a 40 hour work week.
As I said, I can not answer factually, yet. But since anecdotal evidence seems to be the rule of this issue in some quarters, here are some facts for you to consider.
In 2000, I had a truck leased to Celadon. This was when they were beginning the Jaguar operation. They paid the Mexican drivers .18cpm to participate. This was a penny or so a mile more than they were getting in Mexico at the time and about a dime less than the American drivers were being paid. (by the way, Celadon was sued by these Mexican drivers over pay disparity) This was 7 years ago.
Today, in El Manana, the Nuevo Laredo newspaper, there are numerous ads for border shuttle drivers. The average pay offered for these guys is $200 pesos per crossing for a van and $250 pesos per crossing for a flatbed (platforma) Consider if the shuttle can make 3 trips minimum per day and earn $600 pesos, multiply that by 6 which gives these guys and income of $3600 pesos per week and they are home every night.
Doesn’t it stand to reason that the long haul drivers in Mexico are making a better wage than this to drive long haul, including into the United States? Otherwise, what would be the incentive?
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September 12th, 2007 at 12:29
Ok, so they will still haul freight for less than we are getting and we barely make a living here now. I am talking about company drivers here in USA. The mexican domicile companys will not have the road tax and many other taxes that USA companys must pay,but yet they will be using our hiways. The fuel that they buy in mexico is 15,000 ppm. Which is cheaper to make and pollution is much higher. Ours is now at 5 ppm. Can’t you see that the playing field is not level. All the loads that they bring into the USA is a load that a former USA driver would be hauling. How can you not see why we are upset. And no need to say i am racist against the mexicans. I would be against anyone doing this to my lively hood and my country.!
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September 12th, 2007 at 6:37
There is no indication they will haul freight for any less than we will James. If you are talking about freight rates, the Mexican carriers are as competitive as us or the Canadians. It’s all about making a profit.
I don’t see where it makes any difference what the Mexican driver is willing to accept as wages. Hell, in the U.S. we have drivers working for .25 per mile on up to .40+cpm. That’s personal choice. And I wouldn’t think that be it 5 or 500 Mexican trucks running in the U.S., it is not going to make any difference to our bottom line nor to the U.S. drivers income or bottom line. That’s simply something the critics have put out there to scare the hell out of you and it’s working.
The fuel they buy in Mexico is not 15000ppm although I wish the hell it was. I have a diesel Jetta and it loves that stuff. Up until 1993, Mexico’s version of the EPA followed the guidelines of the U.S. EPA. At the pumps, the sell 500ppm diesel and a news release the earlier part of the year stated PEMEX was retrofitting some of their refineries to produce the new crap (ULSD) It stands to reason since the dealers lots down here are full of 07 model trucks.
James, there are no “former” U.S. drivers and their won’t be, unless the U.S. driver decided to go into another line of work. Here in Laredo, we have freight sitting on the docks waiting to be moved. Melton Truck Lines has at least 20 trailers loaded and ready to go in their terminal here at any one time. Warren Transportation, the same thing. And I could go on and one. We have trucks lined up here waiting to get load.
You and others are upset because you have been fed a line of bullshit that would choke a mule and you’ve all fallen for it. Your country, my country, our country is not being invaded. It is not being sold down the road to a new North American Union. It is business as usual.
And if you’ll stop to think a minute. All the crap you’ve been told by the Teamsters, OOIDA, Public Citizen, the Sommers family and others, where is the proof to back up their claims? Where is the hard evidence of what they all claim. The statistic, etc. They simply do not exist to support the claims of the critics. And that’s a natural fact hero!
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September 12th, 2007 at 4:26
Wel, I can see now talking to u is like wrestling in the mud with a pig doesn’t take long to realize it is what he likes and is enjoying it. You sir tell me i have been fed bs. And no facts to back it up but nothing you have told me has any facts to back it up either. If u are a true AMERICAN u need to open your eyes and see that our Prsident who cannot run again. Has his agenda to open up our southern border to who ever and we both know the reason is only for big buissness to reap more profits! I still say if the playing field was level then we could have competion but as long as the deck is stacked against us no one in this country will ever accept those cross border trucks from mexico. I know they have the desire to make a better living for themselves but i am not ready to see that happen at the expense of hard working AMERICANS.
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September 12th, 2007 at 10:47
No James, don’t be pulling the false patriotic “True American” bullshit on me neighbor. I am as American as you or anyone else.
The facts to back up what I say are contained in the documents available for download on this site. They are in the public domain and also available from the source, the same way I found them.
You know, people are always bitching about sovereignty. All this crap you hear about Mexico ain’t this and they don’t do that like us and Canada does it has no bearing.
What matters is, is that when they present themselves at our borders, and enter this country, that they follow the rules and regulations that we have set out for us, for them and for Canada. There is no evidence or reason to believe they will not do so.
Canadian regs differ from the U.S. in a lot of ways, yet when the Cannucks come down, they are under our rules and law. Even the French Canadians who barely speak English, if any.
The point being, there is only one way to run a profitable trucking business. Follow the rules, concentrate on safety and be competitive. The differences in U.S. and Mexican companies as far as competitiveness goes is miniscule and considering the number of trucks we can expect in this country, not really a problem.
The U.S has 11 million CDL holders, Mexico has 270,000. Were you to put everyone of those in a truck and allow operations in this country, which logically could never happen, they still would not make an appreciable difference.
And you know? As I have dug deeper into this in the past few days, evidence from the past suggests this has absolutely nothing to do with safety nor differences in laws and regulations between the two countries. It is simply fear of competition, protectionism and politics. This has been happening for the past 12 years. This is all documented.
And when people like Senator Dorken (that is not a misspelling) say, “why do we need to rush this through”? Nothing is being rushed. This issue has been on the table for the past 12 years and each year improvements are being made. In the eyes and minds of the critics, if we keep delaying it year after year, the argument from the opposition will never change.
The deck is stacked more against Mexico by allowing American carriers in than it is stacked against us. Think about that!
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September 14th, 2007 at 7:35
I was unable to post to the other thread on “Safety Myths”… Seems there was discussion there on trucks used for cross-border transfer, which are not the actual trucks used for long-haul trucking. Waving off safety issues with a “yeah, but we’re not going to use those old, unsafe trucks, we’re going to use new, safe, expensive trucks for long-haul US trucking”.
Well, that raises question after question. Why maintain the older, unsafe trucks in their fleet at all? Are these trucking firms unscrupulous in subjecting their drivers to old, unsafe equipment? Are they so greedy that they need to skim every last peso by scrimping on proper infrastructure for their operation? And as long as ANY older, unsafe vehicles remain in their fleet, I’d say there IS definitely at least some chance that one may be substituted for the long-haul trucks, should the firm get in a bind.
Again and again, they pay lip service to level playing field, but the actions do not appear to reflect it.
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September 14th, 2007 at 9:05
Don’t know why you couldn’t post over there Calderon. There are no restrictions. I’ll look into it when I have time.
You refer to those old unsafe trucks. They don’t even come into the argument. Those trucks are bought for one purpose and that is to shuttle trailers across the border. Nothing more.
They buy them after the fleets are done with them and put them to work. They are roadworthy for what they are used for and the Texas DPS makes damn sure they don’t have major mechanical defects. Especially since they built all the inspection stations along the Texas border. You will be hard pressed to find the mythical “bald tire” even.
It’s the same thing as the port haulers do here in this country. They buy a high mileage used truck and work the thing till the wheels fall off.
The statement in that article, therefore was true.
I don’t see them being substituted either. Look at Tranportes Olympic. Out of 35 trucks, they have 2 authorized to cross the border under the program. That is the same as all of the other companies who have applied and been approved. None of these Mexican companies are committing their entire fleets to this program as some would suggest.
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September 26th, 2007 at 12:07
As expected, this website, shutdown2007.com has gone the way of most, into the dustbin of history with little to show for their efforts.
Adios Muchachos! Viva MexicoTrucker.com
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